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Posted on 08-19-24, 04:22 pm in Cleanup progress update
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So long as the old and new names are interchangeable, I don't think there's a major issue. Frankly, you could maybe even make the editor use both based on a toggle (might need tokens within the localization files). Pleases both parties.
Beyond that, in the "documentation" on the board itself (think threads, not so much spritedb) I think it just comes down to not confusing sprites and actors. It should not that complicated, so I don't see why I couldn't do what I'm planning on doing: make a semi-permanent update/summary of all the information that isn't volatile. Actors are in active research by your team, therefore I won't touch on them too much. Instead I would more likely talk about tips and tricks regarding each sprite, intended for beginner use. Leaving the board as an archive as it is now would be odd when you can make it a lot easier to digest by at least summarizing the information and linking relevant threads for easier searching. Posted by ItzTacos - Community contributions to the documentation are too open; people kept adding unexisting settings in the forum's database with no code knowledge or by trial and error and this is not what we want (even Dirbaio back then most likely did trial and error, because originally code modding wasn't as advanced as today). I do think the sprite db as it is now is probably too open, but that's only based on the assumption that we can now delve into the code. It was open specifically because experimentation was needed, hence that was the only way. What was once help might now be interference. It would be good to have a link to the new database alongside the new wiki, though. Archiving the old stuff is one thing, but if you don't properly link the board and the new resources together then it's kind of a pain. |
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Posted on 08-19-24, 04:54 pm in Cleanup progress update
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I think the forums could be a bit more restricted in the future to accommodate for the Discord's presence, but once again Discord is not made for archival. On the board, you can present your own hack as well as upload it to the local uploader for ease of use.
You could just as well make wiki pages for each hack instead, but that's very monotone and I would personally would not want to use that. One thing of note is that the board needs to stay open enough for members to be able to inquire about things, notably about outdated stuff such as the outdated ASM hacks- I heard a lot of the ones from Skawo or MeroMero were never ported. Also, I personally would hate running the discord because you cannot really search for past instances of people seeking the same answer you are. Board posts are easier to manage in that regard, anyone can search about problems that were encountered and solved in the past. I'm cleaning up the board because there's too many duplicate threads which makes searching unintuitive, defeating the point. One of my goals is to build up a FAQ based on previously solved inquiries. |
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Posted on 08-19-24, 05:16 pm in Cleanup progress update
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I do relate to the feeling of Discord servers being walled gardens due to the lack of lurking and indexing. They're only partly public.
Also, __fp please calm down a bit. |
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Posted on 08-19-24, 05:57 pm in Cleanup progress update (rev. 2 by Thierry on 08-19-24, 06:07 pm)
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Posted by Keeper Posted by nr00t especially with the way discord fucking loves announcing your presence in a server. Only by the server owner, I may add. In other words, it's inconsistent across servers, and you have no way to know ahead of time if the server you're joining will or won't. You can delete your own welcome message, but it's not exactly lurking. Many people don't mind, but some people do. Posted by Keeper Posted by nr00t Forcing people into joining a discord server to ask a single question or something is stupid at best While that is true, the wiki would need to be a massive FAQ in order to cater to all the questions one might have. Based on what you said though, it would seem your equivalent of said FAQ is contained within the discord as "help threads" where users can search for previously asked queries. Posted by Ndymario To clarify my point: you have to register an account to post something here as there's no "guest posting" One thing __fp was trying to outline is that making an account on the board and on Discord isn't necessarily equivalent in practice. And again, no lurking. So the FAQ I mentioned earlier needs to be outside of the Discord. Posted by Ndymario Given that both Discord and HD have a search function, it's roughly equivalent in how effective searching for something is. NSMBHD does provide two ways of search: internal and google. I've had a lot more success looking for stuff through that than I have looking up stuff in past conversations on Discord as a whole. This may not be representative of how it goes when searching on NSMBCentral specifically, but in my experience searching on Discord is a slog. Not to glorify the NSMBHD search though- it's not perfect, but the google one helps a lot since you have searching tools like literal search (when you put something in quotes) etc. I wish Discord search had that specifically. This whole conversation kind of boils down to whether or not we use the board as a board, versus switching to Discord entirely. Granted, the Discord is significantly more active and stuff, but I don't want my whole life to be spent staring at Discord. I will not be joining the Discord, most likely. Once I'm done with the documentation effort, I'll more or less retire from the hacking scene. Edit: I'll still be there and stuff; I can reply to threads and shit. but I won't be necessarily deeply involved in the game |
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Posted on 08-19-24, 09:43 pm in Cleanup progress update
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I'm thinking of closing everything in the general forums aside from General Chat. Sometimes on boards you can have slow, lengthy conversations in the form of wall o'text the likes of which are more common on Kuribo64.
Posted by Arisotura for the rest, I don't have much to say. I think, if Thierry feels comfortable with sysadmin/PHP/etc stuff, it might be worth asking Dirbaio to give them the keys, seeing as Dirbaio isn't very active at all. I can manage. I suppose I'll try to send an email to Dirbaio, or find them on Git. Dunno if they would be open to the idea at all though, since they never gave you (or gridatttack) database access. I don't know how much they would trust me. As for the Discord bridge, if it's just an automated user it shouldn't be complicated to setup but it might look weird. |
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Posted on 08-21-24, 03:06 am in PSA - ROMs in the uploader will go poof
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There are a number of commercial ROMs on the uploader that should not be there. A simple way to locate them is to search for ".nds" (CTRL + F) in the Levels/Hacks, Images and ASM Hacking sections.
These ROMs will be deleted on August 31 1pm UTC. In case anyone wants to archive all of these ROMs by turning them into patches or otherwise, please download them before then. Thank you. |
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Posted on 08-24-24, 10:09 pm in Cleanup progress update
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Posted by Keeper Posted by Thierry I have certainly noticed how this thread went completely unanswered. That's fair, but then this itself is an issue- there's no way for people on the board to know when something was asked and solved on the Discord. Anyway. The consensus I'm seeing here seems to have shifted a bit, so I'll say this. I'm open to de-archiving the forums if you want to use them- I don't mind at all. I just want nobody to have like, a problem with it. |
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Posted on 08-24-24, 10:26 pm in Cleanup progress update
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Posted by Staryu Trek Making text tutorials is always a good thing. Sure, video tutorials can be found on YT, but a text tut can be followed at one's own tempo. Video tutorials cannot be reworked once they are published while text tutorials can, therefore the latter are usually more up-to-date because they are easier to maintain that way. Also; I'll be making the tutorials either way, archived subforums or not. Posted by Ndymario Would it hurt anything to see how it goes having the forums stay archived for a bit? It doesn't seem to be that difficult to archive/unarchive a forum, so we could always revert it back later if it doesn't pan out the way we thought it would. I don't mind waiting, but from what I gathered it will give a more "inactive/abandoned/obsolete" image of the board which I think is what KingYoshi had an issue with. Posted by Mr. Ztardust I personally don't mind if the subforums get archived/unarchived either, but there are still some threads that contain useful information + tools, gathering and centralizing the tools and information is all that needs to be done Making a thorough FAQ will answer a lot of questions people having issues might have, reducing the need to search through all of the past queries. Posted by Mr. Ztardust The info and tools still would need to be gathered and centralized though, if the subforums get archived those tools and info could get lost in a corner or would be a little difficult to find "archived" does not mean "tucked into a corner out of view". I will not be doing that, period. |
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Posted on 09-17-24, 01:31 pm in Are the emoji stored somewhere?
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Posted on 12-06-24, 03:30 pm in Cleanup progress update
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godamn I posted this thread in mid-August
sorry for being dead I had to focus on other stuff for a while (e.g. new job and random medical crapo) I might need to make a discord to join the server at some point |