Posted on 01-27-16, 05:47 am
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Okay. Then maybe we could just replace a decoration sprite (like the seaweed maybe?)
Posted on 01-27-16, 12:22 pm
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Replace the unused Jungle FG thing.
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Posted on 01-27-16, 12:35 pm
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I don't think it was a decoration... first of all because if we look at the other screenshots of the same beta version, there wasn't any background object, not even a bush... so a 3D manta ray, i don't think so...
Posted on 01-27-16, 03:49 pm


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Maybe it could replace the shark, but not replace it. What I mean is would it be possible to copy over all of the shark's data over the giant unagi eel? If so then you could have the manta ray with the same behavior of the shark, only bigger. Or maybe I have no idea on what is possible, but hey.
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Posted on 01-27-16, 05:10 pm
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If manta was meant to act like in SM64 (except for the blue rings), then the pattern was surely similar to Sushi's, so it could work.
Posted on 01-27-16, 07:12 pm


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Yea, that is what I meant, I forgot the name of the enemy.

So to rephrase it:
"Would it be possible to copy the Sushi's code over the Giant Unagi's code and replace the Giant Unagi model with the Manta Ray?"
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Posted on 01-27-16, 07:17 pm
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As long as Unagi uses a 3D model and not a 2D sprite, not so sure about the pattern coding though...
Posted on 01-27-16, 08:47 pm (rev. 1 by ImageBot on 11-21-16, 03:18 am)
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Posted by Ambiance 69
Replace the unused Jungle FG thing.




Well for one it probably isn't a 3D model, and second it's used in this screenshot here.
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Posted on 01-27-16, 08:49 pm
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and what's the point of replacing a jungle foreground with a still image of a pre rendered 3D ray manta anyway...
Posted on 01-27-16, 09:23 pm (rev. 2 by ImageBot on 11-21-16, 03:18 am)
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Posted by 8SomaCruzes


Well for one it probably isn't a 3D model, and second it's used in this screenshot here.


That screenshot is from a slightly later beta, through. (Note the final ? boxes here) And BTW I saw that screenshot before, and I didn't notice that thing used

Anyways thanks for pointing that out.
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Posted on 01-27-16, 10:26 pm
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Now we know this foreground object was meant to be used in a late version of the game.
Posted on 01-27-16, 10:51 pm (rev. 1 by  OneOf99 on 01-27-16, 10:53 pm)


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Posted by Simpson55
Now we know this foreground object was meant to be used in a late version of the game.

But it wasn't

And to replace it with the manta ray would probably require more work than placing the Giant Ungai eel, mainly because of having to animate it and whatnot.

Posted by Ambiance 69
But Giant Unagi has a different behavior than Manta Ray.


The code from the Sushi (assuming that would be the plan) would have to be carried over too, which would not lessen the work. However, maybe the manta ray could function like the eel and chase the player? It doesn't seem to do that in the screenshot though...
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Posted on 01-27-16, 10:52 pm
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technically the jungle FG is rendered via the 3D engine

like everything that needs to cover Mario
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Posted on 01-28-16, 05:15 am
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Posted by Simpson55
I don't think it was a decoration... first of all because if we look at the other screenshots of the same beta version, there wasn't any background object, not even a bush... so a 3D manta ray, i don't think so...


Look at the position of the Manta Ray. It's not moving left to right, it's moving around in three dimensions. NSMB uses parallel projection, so unless the Manta Ray's hitbox turned on and off as it moved around the screen (which would making avoiding it very troublesome) I think it's safe to say that the Manta Ray has no hitbox.
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Posted on 01-28-16, 07:37 am (rev. 2 by ImageBot on 11-21-16, 03:18 am)
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But its hitbox could as well be restriced to a small part of its body that doesn't really change in size when turning around.

Or we could as well assume that it was scrapped because it didn't work properly.
Posted on 01-28-16, 04:14 pm
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Posted by MarioFanatic64
The Manta Ray was clearly a background decoration, like how NSMBU had Cheep Cheeps swimming around in the background of water levels.


@MarioFanatic
I agree with that. I think he looks more than decoration than an enemy on that screenshot.

But would you know a (decoration) sprite to replace with Manta?
Posted on 01-30-16, 12:39 am
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We know nothing about this level anyway so what's the point...
Posted on 01-30-16, 11:09 am
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Hm..

Maybe we can better discuss this later. I mean, there isn't the possibility to convert BCA to NSBCA yet.
Posted on 01-30-16, 11:28 am
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Posted by Simpson55
We know nothing about this level anyway so what's the point...

Indeed. I think the focus should be on levels that have videos showing off the whole thing.
Posted on 01-30-16, 12:04 pm (rev. 1 by  KTRMAmbiance on 01-30-16, 12:05 pm)
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SPEAKING OF UNDERWATER LEVELS

Those are all the beta Underwater screenshots I've got:



I hope the first 5 images will be useful enough to remake the level except the Manta Ray. The last one should be made into 4-3 or 8-3 because Sushi and Mega Unagi can't be in same level.
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