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Posted on 08-19-24, 05:25 pm
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I have DMs off, so I wouldn't even know regardless.
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Posted on 08-19-24, 05:28 pm (rev. 1 by
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 Super KoopaThat MvL Hacker  Karma: 1701 Posts: 813/833 Since: 04-11-15 |
Posted by nr00t "anonymous" doesn't necessarily mean something like 4chan - and the name nr00t hardly suggests I'm who I am now, does it? I could have picked literally any name here lol, but you'd be joking if i was going to pick the one I use everywhere else considering my past reputation across these places. To clarify my point: you have to register an account to post something here as there's no "guest posting" Posted by nr00t Discord's forum feature is clunky as shit and is just a glorified text channel. and guess what, it's like those shit forums where you can't view links without logging in. * Ndymario shrugs It gets the job done. I wasn't trying to say it's better than here how you have full control with a post on the board via HTML trickery. For what it's worth, Discord has been adding more markdown support so it's def a lot better than it used to be. Posted by nr00t sure, I'm speaking in an overly angry tone but I dunno how else to stress the point. there is still a place for the NSMBHD, even in 2024. I think we can discuss the pros/cons of boards vs Discord without getting mad at each other lol. I was just trying to show how Discord has improved over time. Posted by nr00t (oh and remember when back in 2017 everyone was using Discord to host external images? all those files are fucked now due to a change on their end. Arisotura predicted this would happen IIRC) They work fine on Discord :^) More seriously, yeah having an uploader here is awesome. I don't think it's surprising that Discord doesn't want to be a free file hosting service for places outside of Discord. _________________________ Here's my MvL Hacking thread Consider joining the NSMB DS Hacking Discord Server! Also, be sure to check out the new wiki! #HakingNoMore |
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Posted on 08-19-24, 05:34 pm (rev. 1 by
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 Fire SnakeEugene  Karma: 3842 Posts: 1128/1157 Since: 11-29-11 |
I would really prefer the forum of NSMBHD to stay open.
On the forum everything is organised into many threads. And whereas the NSMB Central Discord server does have a help channel implemented, in practice many help questions are asked and many findings happen outside of that in the regular text channels, where this information easily gets lost in the huge message history. One other benefit of the forum is that it's actually public. It easierly attracts new potential people who'd like to mod the game, because they can see what people talk about, what you can do in terms of modding... You can easily find the threads you're looking for through Google searches too. The forum is not locked behind a Discord invitation link. Therefore you're also not forced to create an account if you don't want to. EDIT: As for the counter-argument that Discord has better text formatting thanks to the implementation of Markdown, it doesn't bother me too much and also that's more of a problem of this board's software, not of using a forum. |
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Posted on 08-19-24, 05:37 pm (rev. 1 by
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Super Koopa That MvL Hacker Karma: 1701 Posts: 814/833 Since: 04-11-15 |
The real solution is tighter integration between the board and Central to take advantage of each of their strengths.
First step in the direction was getting the plugin that sends a message when a new post was made here to a channel in Central. It'd be cool to somehow link chat together. _________________________ Here's my MvL Hacking thread Consider joining the NSMB DS Hacking Discord Server! Also, be sure to check out the new wiki! #HakingNoMore |
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Posted on 08-19-24, 05:41 pm (rev. 2 by
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Posted by Keeper gon play devils advocate rq here Posted by nr00t
Forcing people into joining a discord server to ask a single question or something is stupid at best, especially with the way discord fucking loves announcing your presence in a server. Same applies to forums. Which funny enough you can also search google with, but you can't search discord using google. Also you can't disable the presence anouncement when a bot announces your presence to the entire server. Not everyone wants to stick around a server I meant committing to the community. I tend to dip in and out of places. Having a discord server just sitting on my sidebar that I haven't checked pisses me off and i feel a compulsion to look in it. If I wanted to follow a project I was interested in I'd rather follow the progress on here or something. I dunno, the whole flashiness of Discord just is too addicting to me... an active server is more likely to be able to answer a question Only because all the old guard with the skills and knowledge decided to bugger off over there and leave the forums to be overrun with n00bs now asking questions into the abyss. -.- idk id consider markup and not having to use an uploader easier. not like people really do anything outside of maybe centering text in their hack threads here At least the uploader (and project threads) can be linked to outside of Discord. I could post a link on reddit or wherever else to show something off that i thought looked cool for instance. People would instantly see what it is.  The rest of it is just "ok zoomer" or something. I guess I'm just old. Most importantly: Discord doesn't have 
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Posted on 08-19-24, 05:42 pm
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Fire Snake Eugene Karma: 3842 Posts: 1129/1157 Since: 11-29-11 |
Posted by ItzTacos
Been here since late 2019, early compared to other people out there Don't you mean late compared to other people out there? I guess it depends on who you mean, but there's still many active people here from before late 2019. |
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Posted on 08-19-24, 05:44 pm
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Super Koopa That MvL Hacker Karma: 1701 Posts: 815/833 Since: 04-11-15 |
Posted by nr00t
Most importantly: Discord doesn't have I've got some news for you then...(we have it as a sticker in Central lmao) _________________________ Here's my MvL Hacking thread Consider joining the NSMB DS Hacking Discord Server! Also, be sure to check out the new wiki! #HakingNoMore |
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Posted on 08-19-24, 05:45 pm
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Posted by nr00t (...) There are simply way more people active on Discord, even really knowledgeable ones, who barely interact on the forum (if they even ever did) Posted by KingYoshi Don't you mean late compared to other people out there? Yeah i mistyped _________________________ Youtube - GitHub - NSMB Central |
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Posted on 08-19-24, 05:52 pm
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Fire Snake Eugene Karma: 3842 Posts: 1130/1157 Since: 11-29-11 |
Posted by ItzTacos
There are simply way more people active on Discord, even really knowledgeable ones, who barely interact on the forum (if they even ever did) Maybe because the server is being more promoted than the board. :') |
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Posted on 08-19-24, 05:56 pm (rev. 3 by
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I've never been too keen on Markdown to be totally honest given you have to backslash certain things sometimes. Also, linking URLs is really annoying compared to standard BBCode IMO.
Thank you KingYoshi for defending the forums though. I guess as well it's nice to preserve all the older things here too that may fall into obscurity, or perhaps are even just fragments of conversations that one may find sentimental in some way. And honestly I tend to have more fond and stronger memories of forum times than of discord times, even if they weren't necessarily great always, there's just something about the presentation and whatnot, even while reading decades-old posts, you can just sense things coming together. I really can't explain it. With Discord it's in one ear and out the orher tbh. Posted by KingYoshi Posted by ItzTacos
There are simply way more people active on Discord, even really knowledgeable ones, who barely interact on the forum (if they even ever did) Maybe because the server is being more promoted than the board. :') More like "people under the age of 25 and above the age of 30 just assume all forums outside politically extreme or otherwise unscrupulous ones are completely dead". |
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Posted on 08-19-24, 05:57 pm (rev. 2 by Thierry on 08-19-24, 06:07 pm)
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Posted by Keeper Posted by nr00t especially with the way discord fucking loves announcing your presence in a server. Only by the server owner, I may add. In other words, it's inconsistent across servers, and you have no way to know ahead of time if the server you're joining will or won't. You can delete your own welcome message, but it's not exactly lurking. Many people don't mind, but some people do. Posted by Keeper Posted by nr00t Forcing people into joining a discord server to ask a single question or something is stupid at best While that is true, the wiki would need to be a massive FAQ in order to cater to all the questions one might have. Based on what you said though, it would seem your equivalent of said FAQ is contained within the discord as "help threads" where users can search for previously asked queries. Posted by Ndymario To clarify my point: you have to register an account to post something here as there's no "guest posting" One thing Posted by Ndymario Given that both Discord and HD have a search function, it's roughly equivalent in how effective searching for something is. NSMBHD does provide two ways of search: internal and google. I've had a lot more success looking for stuff through that than I have looking up stuff in past conversations on Discord as a whole. This may not be representative of how it goes when searching on NSMBCentral specifically, but in my experience searching on Discord is a slog. Not to glorify the NSMBHD search though- it's not perfect, but the google one helps a lot since you have searching tools like literal search (when you put something in quotes) etc. I wish Discord search had that specifically. This whole conversation kind of boils down to whether or not we use the board as a board, versus switching to Discord entirely. Granted, the Discord is significantly more active and stuff, but I don't want my whole life to be spent staring at Discord. I will not be joining the Discord, most likely. Once I'm done with the documentation effort, I'll more or less retire from the hacking scene. Edit: I'll still be there and stuff; I can reply to threads and shit. but I won't be necessarily deeply involved in the game |
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Posted on 08-19-24, 06:01 pm
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Posted by KingYoshi Maybe because the server is being more promoted than the board. :') This makes zero sense. As it was said already, the forum has more online exposure than the discord because it can be found on google and all of that. All nsmb communities moved to Discord, what should we do? Redirect people already on other discord servers interested into NSMB (DS) to a forum? How is that convenient in any way. Given the circumstances it's obvious that the discord server has more public: The majority of people nowdays use discord and, when in search for specific communities, they search the associated discord server, not the forum! _________________________ Youtube - GitHub - NSMB Central |
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Posted on 08-19-24, 06:02 pm (rev. 1 by
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The internal search is only accessible to staff because no one bothered securing it.
This is really easily fixable stuff (just add some extra LEFT JOIN stuff in the SQL query and do a forumAccessControlSql() check) but no one bothered. ---- And yeah, people these days actively avoid forums for some weird reason. I think they just assume "lol they've been dead since 2016 except for reddit and 4chan", which is a disturbing predicament for the future of the internet really if anything. |
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Posted on 08-19-24, 06:05 pm
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Posted by nr00t The internal search is only accessible to staff because no one bothered securing it. Wait What I didn't know this holy fuck I thought everyone had access to it |
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Posted on 08-19-24, 06:07 pm
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Fire Snake Eugene Karma: 3842 Posts: 1131/1157 Since: 11-29-11 |
I literally just discovered the internal search.
That's pretty neat. Though the Google search is also fine. |
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Posted on 08-19-24, 06:08 pm
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Super Koopa That MvL Hacker Karma: 1701 Posts: 816/833 Since: 04-11-15 |
Posted by Thierry Once I'm done with the documentation effort, I'll more or less retire from the hacking scene. Another name to be placed in the hall of modding fame. Thank you for your efforts
_________________________ Here's my MvL Hacking thread Consider joining the NSMB DS Hacking Discord Server! Also, be sure to check out the new wiki! #HakingNoMore |
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Posted on 08-19-24, 06:16 pm
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 NinjiUnfortunately, where there is light, there is dark. Where there's a Star, there's a Ztar!  Karma: 785 Posts: 186/230 Since: 02-02-24 |
Imma be honest, I don't think the forum should be closed/archived just because the Discord is more active, as mentioned before, here's a lot of useful information, the board is more accesible and not everyone wants to join Discord, I mean, I really like the NSMB Central server and yeah, it's more active, but imo that doesn't sound like a valid reason for closing the board.
Also, I'm really sad to hear you'll be retiring Thierry, you've been doing a really great job all these years and we all appreciate everything you've done for this community :') _________________________  My YouTube Channel 
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Posted on 08-19-24, 06:41 pm (rev. 1 by
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Posted by Mr. Ztardust Imma be honest, I don't think the forum should be closed/archived just because the Discord is more active, as mentioned before, here's a lot of useful information, the board is more accesible and not everyone wants to join Discord, I mean, I really like the NSMB Central server and yeah, it's more active, but imo that doesn't sound like a valid reason for closing the board. Also, I'm really sad to hear you'll be retiring Thierry, you've been doing a really great job all these years and we all appreciate everything you've done for this community :') wait thierrys retiring why? This text may or may not be centered... |
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Posted on 08-19-24, 06:42 pm
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Ninji Unfortunately, where there is light, there is dark. Where there's a Star, there's a Ztar! Karma: 785 Posts: 187/230 Since: 02-02-24 |
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Posted on 08-19-24, 06:44 pm (rev. 1 by Thierry on 08-19-24, 06:44 pm)
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I'll retire in terms of modding. I'll still be there to reply the odd post and squash spambots.
- - - One thing I will mention is that despite everyone saying "everyone moved to the Discord", this board is somehow still alive in that it gets visitors and stuff. I wouldn't be surprised if it could be made active again to some degree. It depends on your attitude though- if you're closed to the idea, of course it's not going to happen. Posted by Mr. Ztardust Also, I'm really sad to hear you'll be retiring Thierry, you've been doing a really great job all these years and we all appreciate everything you've done for this community :') I barely did anything lol. I was only promoted a couple years ago and then got caught up in life and adhdsplosion. I was a normal user for the longest time Also; you might want to archive the "help threads" outside of the Discord. Discords can die if the owner gets banned or other unfortunate things happen. |