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Posted on 03-20-12, 06:40 am
Porcupo
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This is my opinion on how we COULD do things...

Well, how about instead of the normal spring grassland, how about we make it autumn?

Flying leaves, Trees and grass are turned brown.

W6 would be the industrialized world, with cliffs, caves and metal everywhere. (it doesn't NEED city's though.)

W4 would probably become haunted, but I don't know how we would express this.

Do you guys think that W8 could become space? We could possibly reteture things to look like space ships.

Posted on 03-20-12, 07:24 am (rev. 1 by Darkness on 03-20-12, 07:24 am)
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(since I'm a bit pissed off right now I'll only post this statement rather then posting what I had typed and pissing off some people, so after I've calmed down I'll talk more seriously about this lol )

All I'll say is: Why mess with the perfect formula, that when put together is loved by hundreds of millions of people who have payed so much (total) to buy and play these awesome games? You guys in a way are wrecking the formula by changing stuff too much (you just can't see it, which is what I'm trying to tell you).

We really need to sort this out very soon...
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Posted on 03-20-12, 08:04 am


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We are hacker. We change as much as possible.
If you don't like us changing such stuff, go play the original game.
Of course, some themes are a must to. But we want to change really much.
Posted on 03-20-12, 08:15 am (rev. 1 by Darkness on 03-20-12, 08:15 am)
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Posted by NsmB_PrO
If you don't like us changing such stuff, go play the original game.

Fr33ze just don't, you know what I mean when I said that. Everyone wants these certain "themed" worlds. I'm saying there needs to be a balance, we can't have both new and old. And if we were to have all brand new themes it needs to be perfect, and done right.
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Posted on 03-20-12, 08:27 am
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Hacks are SUPPOSED to be different. There are 26 years worth of Mario games, and they ALL follow the same formula. And yes, they are great, but why would you bother making more desert levels, beach levels, grassland levels, etc, when you'll get more of them when the next official game comes out?

Basically, leave the official "formulas" to the official developers.

Hacks are all about twisting and expanding a game, not mimicking it.

Posted by Darkness
I'm saying there needs to be a balance, we can't have both new and old.


Why couldn't we have both new and old? In this case, having both new and old is the very definition of balance. Remember that this is a collaborative hack, and if you don't like it, simply don't be part of it.

I think you're taking this too seriously and too far, Darkness.

Posted by Darkness
And if we were to have all brand new themes it needs to be perfect, and done right.


We would gladly try our best to do that if you weren't so against change.
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Posted on 03-20-12, 08:37 am
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Seriously what's with the hate, MarioFanatic64? I'm just trying to contribute and let my opinions be heard, not to mention trying to make this hack as good as it can be. Sure, I have my opinions and they may be different from the bunch of people who want these things but is that really a reason to hate me for it?

And I'm not against change, if you haven't noticed I'm fine with ANYTHING that happens, as long as it's done good and proper and everyone is happy with it. You need to thoroughly read what I've been saying before making such assumptions.
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Posted on 03-20-12, 08:39 am
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Posted by Darkness
Seriously what's with the hate, MarioFanatic64? I'm just trying to contribute and let my opinions be heard, not to mention trying to make this hack as good as it can be. Sure, I have my opinions and they may be different from the bunch of people who want these things but is that really a reason to hate me for it?

And I'm not against change, if you haven't noticed I'm fine with ANYTHING that happens, as long as it's done good and proper and everyone is happy with it. You need to thoroughly read what I've been saying before making such assumptions.


As do you, I'm not "hating" on you, seriously. Don't let your anger get the better of you, bro.
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Posted on 03-20-12, 09:00 am
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Really, I ain't going any further on this whole issue, nor will I be contributing anymore ideas/suggestions etc. after this since it seems no-one really cares what I have to say. You really have touched a nerve there, so don't expect me to be around here much anymore. When the time comes for levels to be made (once tilesets and stuff are done) then someone just send me a PM.
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Posted on 03-20-12, 09:26 am
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Posted by Darkness
Really, I ain't going any further on this whole issue, nor will I be contributing anymore ideas/suggestions etc. after this since it seems no-one really cares what I have to say. You really have touched a nerve there, so don't expect me to be around here much anymore. When the time comes for levels to be made (once tilesets and stuff are done) then someone just send me a PM.


Darkness, I'm just going to say this and leave you be, I don't want to stir trouble. I think the problem you are having is that your suggestions/ideas aren't getting much attention, and you are feeling rejected. But you've got to know that there are no ideas that are not taken into consideration. Nothing has been fully decided yet. Everyone's ideas are taken into account, and I think the problem is that you keep insisting on your own ideas over everybody else's, whenever someone else here has an idea you are the first person to shoot them down because it conflicts with yours. Everybody is just defending their own ideas, and you think you're defending yours, when what you are really doing is trying to enforce it. The hack is not yours to declare what should and shouldn't happen. It's not mine, it's not Fr33ze's, it's not Cool As's, nor Gridattack's. Do you see me complaining when my ideas are rejected? No, I accept them and try again, and that is what you should do as well. Did you know Mario was originally going to have a gun? That was one of Miyamoto's first ideas for Super Mario Bros. and it was rejected. If he had given up then, we wouldn't be having this conversation today. I've been in positions much like yours, and trust me nothing good comes out of playing the victim. I like you, you seem like a good guy and I think this hack will be great with more of your contributions. That is all, I'm not going to bother continuing this conversation.
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Posted on 03-20-12, 02:32 pm (rev. 3 by  MarioSunshine on 03-20-12, 02:32 pm)
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In my country, there's a really good quote about success & failure.

It says:
A success is a beginning of a failure, but a failure is a beginning of a success.

So nothing is greater than try again and again. Fail first, then succeed.

Sorry for /offtopic...



Hey, I have suggestions. About Tower stages.

In world 1, we can have a hill that Bowser Jr.'s waiting at the top. Instead of a tower. It's similar to Super Mario Advance 2. Where you face Birdo at the top in 1-1. (Anyone remember?)
For desert world it could be a top of pyramid. For Forest world, ummm, maybe a lost tower? XD
For sky world, of course, sky tower! Like in SMB3 (world 5, again, anyone remember?)
And if there's a cities/industrial world, maybe a skyscraper! How cool!
For rocky world, it should be a mountain. And last, for ice world, maybe just a normal mountain at first, but having ices at the top. Or crystal-like environment ( Like an icy cave)

I'm OK about criticism, as it's only a suggestion!


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Posted on 03-20-12, 08:25 pm (rev. 2 by coolas1 on 03-20-12, 08:25 pm)
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Great idea!

W1 Autumn Grassland. Tower at top of hill.
W2 Traveling through a pyramid! Boss in boss chamber of pyramid.
W3 -
W4 Haunted forest. Giant gloom a is lost.
W5 Traveling throug an icy mountain. special boss cave.
W6 Industrialised valley!, metal pipes in caves, pipe level, etc. Boss at the top of building.
W7 -
W8 Dangerous space! IDK about bosses...

Does that sound good?
Do you guys have other ideas?
Posted on 03-20-12, 09:06 pm (rev. 4 by  gridatttack on 03-20-12, 09:37 pm)
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Posted by coolas1
Great idea!

W1 Autumn Grassland. Tower at top of hill.
W2 Traveling through a pyramid! Boss in boss chamber of pyramid.
W3 -
W4 Haunted forest. Giant gloom a is lost.
W5 Traveling throug an icy mountain. special boss cave.
W6 Industrialised valley!, metal pipes in caves, pipe level, etc. Boss at the top of building.
W7 -
W8 Dangerous space! IDK about bosses...

Does that sound good?
Do you guys have other ideas?


How about switch the order for the worlds? W4 is already a forest one and W5 an Icy one, so we should try to avoid using similar themes in the same place as the original NSMB
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Also:
W1 Autumn Grassland. Tower at top of hill.
W2 Traveling through a pyramid! Boss in boss chamber of pyramid.
W3 some sort of underground paradise. Like an underground forest, desert, or valley. Some sort of that thing
W4 Haunted forest. Giant gloom a is lost.
W5 Traveling throug an icy mountain. special boss cave.
W6 Industrialised valley!, metal pipes in caves, pipe level, etc. Boss at the top of building.
W7 Rainbow-themed world. Unlocked when the game's completed (ASM hack). Contains any fun and weird levels that don't fit in other worlds or that include extra gimmicks. (Clones, the tile hack, etc)
W8 Dangerous space! IDK about bosses...

The rainbow world idea that dirbaio mentioned sounds fun
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Posted on 03-20-12, 09:28 pm
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W1 Autumn Grassland. Tower at top of hill.
W2 Traveling through a pyramid! Boss in boss chamber of pyramid.
W3 -
W4 Haunted forest. Giant gloom a is lost.
W5 Traveling throug an icy mountain. special boss cave.
W6 Industrialised valley!, metal pipes in caves, pipe level, etc. Boss at the top of building.
W7 Rainbow-themed world. Unlocked when the game's completed (ASM hack). Contains any fun and weird levels that don't fit in other worlds or that include extra gimmicks. (Clones, the tile hack, etc)
W8 Dangerous space! IDK about bosses...
Posted on 03-21-12, 02:35 pm
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Sound fun right?
Having a place for bosses.
But maybe they require many tilesets, as in each world, bosses' room are all different.


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Posted on 03-21-12, 04:02 pm (rev. 1 by  Freeze on 03-21-12, 04:02 pm)


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So, will this
W1 Autumn Grassland. Tower at top of hill.
be used for 100 percent?
If yes, I can try arround with the autumn tileset.

EDIT: I played 5 minutes arround with photoshop now. This is the result.
It looks quite ugly, I know. I will try to do it properly tonight.


Posted on 03-21-12, 04:09 pm
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Well, we can also have some levels with the original tileset.

 Freeze, if you want, you can grab my extended grassland tileset and just change the image to autumn grassland. This way we'll have two tilesets to use that are compatible, and you won't have to do the tileset manually.
Posted on 03-21-12, 06:32 pm


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Hmmm... Yeah, ok. But I will change the grass. (Not only the color of the grass)
This way, it will look even newer.
Posted on 03-21-12, 08:09 pm
Porcupo
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Fr33ze, why not use two palettes, one for the normal sping grassland and the other for the autumn grassland? Then we have just saved an extra tile set.
Posted on 03-21-12, 08:23 pm


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Posted by coolas1
Fr33ze, why not use two palettes, one for the normal sping grassland and the other for the autumn grassland? Then we have just saved an extra tile set.

That is, what I was going to do.

I made a Stone-Grassland Tileset for New Super Hacker Bros. I use 2 palettes there, too.


I useed the grass of the NSMBW-Tileset and the ground of the Beta-Tileset. (I just recolored it)
Here you can see, that Tileset combinations can look really amazing.
Posted on 03-21-12, 08:52 pm (rev. 1 by  Dirbaio on 03-21-12, 08:52 pm)
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I'd make instead TWO tilesets, one with normal grassland and another with autumn grassland. BOTH with the normal layout. This way we can switch levels between autumn and normal easily.

Also plz plz base it off my grassland tileset. I don't want to have to rebuild my level

EDIT. This thread is going offtopic. Please make a tileset discussion thread, and continue discussing world themes here
Thanks.
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