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Posted on 08-24-11, 02:31 am
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Posted by Dirbaio
I think I'll need one day more too
Thanks..


Me too. I need a day! I will post the level tomorrow
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Posted on 08-24-11, 04:40 am (rev. 1)
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That's fine by me. I won't be submitting a level for this contest, just didn't have the time.



Also, let's please talk about stuff in the discussion thread. This thread got cluttered up with non-submissions, and it's hard to find all submissions and make sure no one was missed.

So far, we have levels from: ray, nsmb_pro, and EL Mario.
Posted on 08-25-11, 07:25 pm (rev. 2 by ImageBot on 11-21-16, 02:08 am)
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...and from Dirbaio!

http://nsmbhd.net/get.php?id=50

(sorry, no video. I don't have the time. And even if I had, it would take ages to upload with this shitty internet connection)
Patch should be applied to U rom. Level is in 1-1.

Also, the warp to exit the bonus area is not-working. So you'll die. Please forgive this shit. I can't get it working
Posted on 08-25-11, 07:47 pm


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Posted by Dirbaio
Also, the warp to exit the bonus area is not-working. So you'll die. Please forgive this shit. I can't get it working

Probably, because like ray said, the 2 warps are toooo close to each other?
I find it kinda funny, that the maker of the editor doesn't have a plan of how to get a warp working.
Posted on 08-25-11, 07:51 pm
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Lol, you are right xDDD
But I can also dont get something to work: the snow sprite sounds in my second area
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Posted on 08-25-11, 08:15 pm
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Posted by NsmB_PrO
Probably, because like ray said, the 2 warps are toooo close to each other?

I tried to but still no luck
Anyways its not a big problem, so meh.

Posted by NsmB_PrO
I find it kinda funny, that the maker of the editor doesn't have a plan of how to get a warp working.


Thank you!
Posted on 08-26-11, 09:52 pm (rev. 1)
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NsmB_PrO
Design

I liked your level design really. Especially at the end^^ There were some strange places, like The ramp and the small platform with a fireball in the middle. I got only ONE time trough it, without loosing "health". And you like smilies, right? xD

Polish

The ice spikes had some transparent pixels because the wall. This looked strange. And sometimes the snow on your volcano Tileset looked strange.

Design: 18/20
Polish: 18/20
Challenge: 10/10

46/50

Dirbaio
Design

Your way how to get to the underground cave was very nice and fun to play, but only the start. After a few seconds, I felt bored Its not too hard, but also not too easy. Your level looked a bit empty. I liked your edited platforms very much. They gave me the right feeling And the ground in front of the pipe to get to the rising lava, was also a nice trap. I thought first, it was normal ground xD I think you used too much ice blocks, which looked a bit weird after a while.

Polish

I noticed NOTHING wrong. (The warp at the end of the slope could be two blocks down, so you cant see mario anymore, but that does not matter )

Design: 17/20
Polish: 20/20
Challenge: 10/10

47/50

ElMario
Design

Uhmm... Sorry, but I dont like it. Its WAAY too empty and designed all the same way. Go left-up, go right-up etc.

Polish

When you fall down the first slope, you can watch under the slope, that looks really weird
And my DS freeze when I try to shoot up to the next area trough the warp pipe.

Design: 9/20
Polish: 18/20
Challenge: 10/10

37/50
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Posted on 08-26-11, 10:04 pm
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Ray,

There's nothing I can do about the DS freezing. It worked in DeSmuME, what can I do?
Posted on 08-26-11, 10:08 pm
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I dunno but Garmichael wrote in the rules, if there are freezes or glicthes/bugs not cause trough the emulator/ds, then its polish
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Posted on 08-27-11, 04:59 am
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He means that if there's a glitch, like the camera moving strangely, or enemy glitches in a certain area, that is caused by level design, not emulation. He did not state what DS crashing is, because that's not at the level design fault. That's caused by the process of patching, or invalid rom, or the thing that executes the program (such as a flashcart). So therefore, it shouldn't be stated at all.
Posted on 08-27-11, 06:09 am (rev. 1)
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It really comes down to the judge, but my personal stance is that if your level crashes or causes problems not related to emulation such as transparency etc, then it should be a matter of polish. I would have also taken points off for it not working on my DSTwo. I played each of these levels (even though Im not critiquing), and your game crashed for me at that point as well. Someone else's level also crashes when you enter it from the midway point, and I would have taken points off for that as well. I forget who's level it was, but it's the level with all the fire bars and insane difficulty at the start. The only emulator/flash card glitches I disregard are the graphical/speed ones. Really, my measure is: Does it work on the DS? If it does, then fine. If it doesn't, I take off points.

The original game plays flawlessly on the DS without any crashes or anything, and its not common for these types of crashes to happen. If your game crashes, then its a polish issue. Imagine if a level that Nintendo released didnt work on the DS, but only on emulators.
Posted on 08-27-11, 11:51 am
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Yeah I agree, so I took points Dont worry El, next time you'll do it better
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Posted on 08-28-11, 06:13 pm (rev. 1 by ImageBot on 11-21-16, 02:08 am)
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Posted by Garmichael
It really comes down to the judge, but my personal stance is that if your level crashes or causes problems not related to emulation such as transparency etc, then it should be a matter of polish. I would have also taken points off for it not working on my DSTwo. I played each of these levels (even though Im not critiquing), and your game crashed for me at that point as well. Someone else's level also crashes when you enter it from the midway point, and I would have taken points off for that as well. I forget who's level it was, but it's the level with all the fire bars and insane difficulty at the start. The only emulator/flash card glitches I disregard are the graphical/speed ones. Really, my measure is: Does it work on the DS? If it does, then fine. If it doesn't, I take off points.

The original game plays flawlessly on the DS without any crashes or anything, and its not common for these types of crashes to happen. If your game crashes, then its a polish issue. Imagine if a level that Nintendo released didnt work on the DS, but only on emulators.


But there's so many things that could go wrong:
-Invalid ROM Dump
-Editor writes values that causes a crash. Like this.
-Placing the objects/having certain combinations of objects/sprites that cause the crash
And much more.

We can't possibly know exaclty what's going on. We're hacking a binary, remember?
The only reason Nintendo can get perfectly running games is because they have the frikin'

Source Code & Development Tools

The thing we wish us hackers had access too. With them, we can find EXACTLY what goes wrong, and fix it.

Why should it be MY fault that this happened? I don't have a DS to test this on. We don't have the official development tools.

This problem shouldn't count towards my score.
Posted on 08-28-11, 06:18 pm
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I took two points, that isnt much, so I think its ok.
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Posted on 08-28-11, 07:43 pm


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I am completely the same opinion than ELMario. I don't think it is his fault. It Even ran on DESMUME.
This is a design contest after all and not a "Get a warp to work" Contest.
Dirbaio has also a warp that does not work and he gets 20/20 points in polish? Kinda unfair.
Otherwise, this is ray's decision and not mine. I cannot do anything about it.
Posted on 08-28-11, 07:56 pm (rev. 1)
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Hmm yeah, you are right... I havent noticed it I'll remove these two points If I had to critique myself, I had to took also from me points, beacuse I cant get the snow sprites sounds working
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Posted on 08-28-11, 08:11 pm


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Posted by ray
Hmm yeah, you are right... I havent noticed it I'll remove these two points If I had to critique myself, I had to took also from me points, beacuse I cant get the snow sprites sounds working

Thanks ray for accepting this.
Posted on 08-31-11, 06:17 am
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Any idea when the rest of the critiques are coming in?
Posted on 08-31-11, 10:27 am (rev. 1)


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Ok. Here are the critiques.

Posted on 08-31-11, 10:44 am (rev. 2)
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Lol I think your level was harder xD
But I understand your opinion about the snailicorn
And the dry bones was complete ok I think. There were some places in your level which were more unfair
EDIT: You are able to go trough dirbaios pipe I was able, too
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